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    Thanks to partying neighbors keeping me awake, I come for a 'luck of the draw' transcript and get this one:

    http://ways-of-knowing.wik.is/4Transcripts/2009.10.29_-_Workshop_33

    View!      Helpful...            For me, especially these bits:

    Stim Morane: But just to jump in here, I think it's important to note that this particular forum topic, "naturalness", is going to be IMPOSSIBLE to investigate if we hold to tightly and uncritically to the ordinary notion of "me", the self.
    Stim Morane: The ordinary sense of self excludes direct insight regarding our natures. It essentially replaces it with itself.
    Stim Morane: We start thinking in terms of "how I typically behave or feel" etc, and this clouds direct seeing of what is actually operating.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Tarmel Udimo: ah indeed
    Stim Morane: So last time I was asking not "how do I feel in my life" but "what is happening now that gets in the way?"
    Stim Morane: there is a difference

    Stim Morane: but by "seeing", which is one of my favorite words, we have to mean "fulling acknowledging and accepting"
    Stim Morane: we're not bug hunters

    Stim Morane: Acceptance is not, in this case, meant to be a judgment or another attitude or label, but an honest opening of the door
    Stim Morane: hi, come in, oh I see you better, you're weird but I guess you're family too, etc


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