02.17.2011 - Huineng [Sixth and last Patriarch of Chan] & Shenxiu

Mickorod Renard: hi
Hi Gaya :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Gaya
 Avy Runner: hi Agatha, Gaya :)
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings one and all
Eliza Madrigal: and all for one
Mickorod Renard: I cold jus eat a piece of cheese on a cracker
Ataraxia Azemus: :P
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Dao-ya.
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: Nobody's stopping you Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Dao
Dao Yheng: Hi!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Dao :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me just poured some more single-malt scotch. . .
Mickorod Renard: the staff have gone to bed
Agatha Macbeth: Make it yourself you lazy bugger!
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: /me sighs
Avy Runner: hi Dao :)
Dao Yheng: Just got out of jury duty -- a real exercise in patience
Dao Yheng: Jury duty definitely feels like a form of dust
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Oh  my.
Xeno Octavia: kool outfit Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: ack, but you obviously weren't sequestered... that's good :)
Agatha Macbeth: Find him guilty, it's more fun
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Dust on the mirror of Justice.
Dao Yheng: :)
Avy Runner: exercise in patience, yes I can imagine
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks :)
Mickorod Renard: ok,,got my cheese
Agatha Macbeth: Where's mine then?
Mickorod Renard: get ur own
Agatha Macbeth: /me throws a cushion at Mick
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Xeno Octavia: cheese is cheesy
Avy Runner: /ne hopes his head is not mistaken for a cheese
Mickorod Renard: yumy
Ataraxia Azemus: /me slumps to avoid any more cushions flying overhead :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): So -- Is it mirrors, and stands, and dust, and cheese, and cushions today?
Agatha Macbeth: /me rubs Atari's head and says sorry
Ataraxia Azemus: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: /me needs to find out how to mute people in the new viewer ... IM spams dust ...
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me wonders if there are people there to mute -- as also whether there are mirrors there to dust -- or stands to dust. .
Gaya Ethaniel: http://waysofknowing.kira.org/
Eliza Madrigal: seems to say in part that one could keep dusting and dusting and would just spread the obscuration around...
Xeno Octavia: hi Mitsu
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mitsu
Mickorod Renard: hi mitsu
Avy Runner: hi Mitsu, Anya :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mitsu, Hi Xeno, Hi Anya
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Mitsu-ya.
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Mitsu :)
Xeno Octavia: is Anya here --hi
Gaya Ethaniel: Probably a bot I picked up somewhere sending me IM :(
Eliza Madrigal: /me thnks bruce must miss Ya today
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Mitsu :)
Mitsu Ishii: hello all
Agatha Macbeth: Yawohl
Anya Heberle: elo1 )
Avy Runner: nice :), on somebodies lap today :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me loves robot-human bonding.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not trying to be annoying but have you all had a chance to read the reports?
Avy Runner: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cal :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Cal-ya.
Avy Runner: hi Cal :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone !
Avy Runner: no, fraid not
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Cal :)
Mickorod Renard: I have been so busy sorry,,so nackered too
Gaya Ethaniel: Links on the front page so please feel free to scan if you'd like.
Mickorod Renard: ty
Xeno Octavia: sorry Anya its those glass windows
Anya Heberle: YAYT!]
Eliza Madrigal: good to have you here Mick no pressure
Anya Heberle: YAY!
Anya Heberle: reetin
Mitsu Ishii: this is one of the most important Zen stories of all.
Mitsu Ishii: (the homework)
Anya Heberle: greeting!
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Really related to Dao's: "
 It's an oddity how guilty feelings, a sense of "responsibility" can mask out any real engagement with life. So in this sense, I really do feel there is such a thing as dust. "
Xeno Octavia: are they Jewish Zen --Cohens
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zen :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zen
Ataraxia Azemus: I really liked that, too; about guilt being the dust that keeps you from seeing the life underneath.
Avy Runner: hi Zen :)
Xeno Octavia: hi Zen
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Zen :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Zen-ya.
Xeno Octavia: lol thger eis no dust the first failed seeker of 6th patriarch the second the wqinner
Dao Yheng: Responsibility has been a tricky one for me -- finding a way to take it in a sincere but also light way
Zen (zen.arado): Hiya all ya :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me ponders responsibility as dust. . .
Dao Yheng: Hi zen!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
Xeno Octavia: dharma dustfree like boddhisatva karmafree
Eliza Madrigal: cheery Xeno :D
Ataraxia Azemus: Mm, Xeno
Mitsu Ishii: so Zen is correct that these two poems come from the famous story of the Sixth Patriarch
Xeno Octavia: yes
Mickorod Renard: the dont try and figure out is worrying for me at this moment
Xeno Octavia: the high student who loses it and the bum who gets it
Zen (zen.arado): yeah Xeno :)
Dao Yheng: yes, that's a good part of the story!
Dao Yheng: Mick, can you say more?
Xeno Octavia: my 'real' teachers all bums : ))
Zen (zen.arado): dharma Bums?
Xeno Octavia: lolol
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe bums have a lot to teach us
Zen (zen.arado): yes Aga
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xeno Octavia: naropa found his teach a bum
Zen (zen.arado): they have suffered more for sure
Mickorod Renard: there seems to be a conundrum..like trying to figure out these understandings,,yet the key is not to try
Xeno Octavia: nah not suffrin bums free bums
Eliza Madrigal: ah important to have empathy for the 'prodigal son' too
Zen (zen.arado): free the bums
Agatha Macbeth: The Bum Liberation Front
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Having just spent a week with a homeless man in my home. . . can say that "they" have much to teach us (me) about security and fear, etc. . . (Dust, in other words.)
Zen (zen.arado): yes and not have a prejudice against the rich
Xeno Octavia: rememb homeless a virtue in Dharma and in US a vice
Mickorod Renard: the more simple is the clearer
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): He sent me $50 in the mail today -- and I was so embarrassed -- I sent it right back to him.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me ponders "responsibility"
Mickorod Renard: thats cool Bruce
Xeno Octavia: did u give him interest
Avy Runner: nods at Bruce
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): He gave me far more than I could possible have given him.
Anya Heberle: <--isbackws ookkig, greets alllwarmly
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Anya-ya.
Xeno Octavia: ive salways wanted see on mall the ones who gives change rathern than asks for
Anya Heberle: lol
Anya Heberle: cookin!
Mitsu Ishii: so there are two points of view here: that you need to strive via a process in time to attain a "clear" mind, and that realization is always already present before you even think of doing anything
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Great idea, Xeno!
Eliza Madrigal: /me nods
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Giving out change in Mall is like awareness of realization is already present. . .
Mickorod Renard: yes Mitsu,,thats sort of how i see it
Zen (zen.arado): yes Mitsu
Zen (zen.arado): we have to work hard to get nowhere
Xeno Octavia: yah much better than the thugs giving hugs --lolol
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me sits on hands and sips single malt scotch.
Agatha Macbeth: That's the second scotch tonight
Eliza Madrigal: mind of lack vs mind of abundance... yet, in the latter the first isn't 'other'?
Mickorod Renard: there are so many examples in life that point to how we loose a connection to life by complicating it
Xeno Octavia: the truly wqealthy are those with so much money or so little money --they not have tya think of money
Dao Yheng: :)
Ataraxia Azemus: That's true, Mick; and Xeno :)
Mickorod Renard: yes Xeno..like children,,with no responsibility
Avy Runner: right Seno :)
Avy Runner: Xeno
Xeno Octavia: lol i like child no responsibility
Eliza Madrigal: /me thought a lot about money as a child and had many responsibilities :)
Anya Heberle: concience asubjective reasonin establised by process and understanding of matterawe 'know it
Xeno Octavia: that cause i self -responsible --not other -responsible
Avy Runner: thing is, when I was young I didn't have much money but enough, and I didn't worry about it, getting more money comes with worries, suddenly you have choices
Mitsu Ishii: well, the idea here is that realization is something which is already accomplished (both a Zen and Dzogchen idea), which is to say present under all circumstances.
Mitsu Ishii: that includes having money or not having money, or any other circumstances
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me suspects that very few children actually FEEL no responsibility -- only when they look back at childhood from their own adulthood...
Mickorod Renard: but even with responsibility I did once have a similar feeling when i felt close to God, and left my worries for Him to sort out for me
Gaya Ethaniel: The second gatha doesn't say dusting is not required per se or dust doesn't exist.
Xeno Octavia: yes Avy no-money frees one from over priced nonesense
Mitsu Ishii: but of course it's a subtle question because, if realization is the already accomplished, then why do we practice?
Eliza Madrigal: :) Mick
Xeno Octavia: i dont --dzog is instant
Zen (zen.arado): that was Dogen's questipokn Mitsu
Mitsu Ishii: we don't practice in order to attain something but we still practice.
Avy Runner: I actually think it's both, before we know it, following the proces, we overlook it
Zen (zen.arado): but he said pracxtice itself is enlightenment
Avy Runner: right it's in the practice itself
Dao Yheng: we can also practice to celebrate
Mitsu Ishii: that's the ultimate koan in a way
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes -- Practice as Celebration -- LOVE that!
Anya Heberle: im makin a pie
Zen (zen.arado): practicing zazen is enlightenment
Xeno Octavia: highest Tibet practice [of medit]is called --no-more- meditation
Eliza Madrigal: gestures of completeness in celebration
Mitsu Ishii: Stim (Steven) likes to say that both perspectives are true, though the "already accomplished" is more fundamentally true. the other perspective is only sort of conventionally the case.
Mickorod Renard: well thats it then,,,no more meditation needed
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-)
Mitsu Ishii: on the one hand, you can speak of deeper realization, insight and so forth
Xeno Octavia: will u send us some Anya: )))
Dao Yheng: even meditation is not meditation :)
Mitsu Ishii: but on the other you can say that none of that really occurs
Anya Heberle: jus levitational feats of mind over substance
Avy Runner: it's in the practice, doing practice means you learn it's already there, it's dualism
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me suspects that just when Meditation is NOT needed is felt -- Meditation will become imperative.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Xeno Octavia: practice makes perfect ---dzog is perfect
Mickorod Renard: maybe Bruce
Anya Heberle: ofcourse, sure I will.. if it is munchable
Mitsu Ishii: it is a funny paradox
Avy Runner: yes, and it's a paradox, no opposites
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I meant to say that one will feel more powerfully than ever the "imperative" to meditate - - so with myself, anyway.
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm not sure ... as long as one just practice, it wouldn't cause any paradoxes.
Anya Heberle: :p*
Dao Yheng: I feel that too, Bruce
Anya Heberle: ^o^
Eliza Madrigal: yeah, the question is if its possible to 'ever' step out of true nature and if not why don't we stop trying
Mitsu Ishii: on the one hand I could recount all my "realizations" over the years, but on the other hand every one of them could be said to be more and more deep realizations that nothing needs to be done. Just nothing, on a deeper and deeper level. so there is evolution and "attainment", but it's ironically attainment of non-attainment
Zen (zen.arado): "For Dōgen, the practice of zazen and the experience of enlightenment were one and the same. This point was succinctly stressed by Dōgen in the Fukan Zazengi, the first text that he composed upon his return to Japan from China: "To practice the Way singleheartedly is, in itself, enlightenment. There is no gap between practice and enlightenment or zazen and daily life"
Zen (zen.arado): /me ponders that often
Mickorod Renard: I can say for myself, as I have emersed myself in these thought practices,,I now find my subconcious is finding the answers to those questions I have struggled with . maybe this is what is meant,,after practice then it comes nature
Mitsu Ishii: Yes, the Soto people like to say the zazen IS enlightenment itself. but of course zazen is also life. so is life enlightenment itself? :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me recalls time in his life that Praising God was absolutely imperative -- even though at present he considers himself an atheist.
Avy Runner: ah right Mick, well said
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: /me nods
Gaya Ethaniel: Depends how one dusts :P
Zen (zen.arado): yes Mick
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ;-) Thank you, Gaya!
Zen (zen.arado): the dust falls from our eyes
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): ... and minds.
Mitsu Ishii: the strange thing is that it is clear that practice makes a big difference. the irony is, however, the more I practice with the idea of trying to attain something, the "worse" it went. so practice, but without an idea of trying to attain something, then one can actually realize something! big irony.
Ataraxia Azemus: In my own life, I've learned to ask questions with less intensity; letting curiosity take me where it will, not providing any easy answers.
Xeno Octavia: i dont dust because is illusary --that way can see who sees my dust [[that FL of course]
Mickorod Renard: I do like that Mitsu,,it seems to be the way
Zen (zen.arado): if it enlightenment itself we don't need to attain it
Gaya Ethaniel: Because the usual notion of practice is to 'improve' or 'achieve'.
Zen (zen.arado): yes Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: That's not the practice we are talking about here.
Zen (zen.arado): I don't understand it but maybe it is not to BE underfstood
Zen (zen.arado): just done
Mickorod Renard: It is a natural thing to'want' to learn..and its that want that seems to get in the way
Zen (zen.arado): yes Mick
Xeno Octavia: ah zen dont coonfuse enlightenment with authenticity --enlightenment is just clearing away ignorance of autenticity
Zen (zen.arado): our'figure it out' mind
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Requires great compassion for oneself -- to see one's desire to learn. . . and also that one is already THERE.
Avy Runner: practice si a way to break through our daily patterns and to make some space, being open to new experiences
Ataraxia Azemus: Maybe that desire to learn can be a good thing, as long as it opens us up to a wider world
Mitsu Ishii: the fact is, there are deep levels of our nature which we can uncover via practice. it's just that to uncover them you have to give up the idea of trying to attain that or anything, really.
Zen (zen.arado): maybe enlightenment is authenticity
Ataraxia Azemus: So what Avy said :)
Mitsu Ishii: the effort itself is what blocks it
Eliza Madrigal: well figure it out dust... not sure minds are naturally trying to figure things out
Mickorod Renard: I worked at one place for 20 years and always felt the newcomer,,until one day I realized everyone there was younger and they kept asking me for answers
Mitsu Ishii: some teachers explain this by saying that the "effort" is an action performed by a "self" but the "self" can't actually do anything in this vast realm of being.
Mitsu Ishii: so effort is irrelevant to that vastness
Agatha Macbeth: /me smiles @ Mick
Ataraxia Azemus: It doesn't always seem too paradoxical, Mitsu...should it take effort to be?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Avy Runner: I disagree, it would mean we can't change, it takes ages, yes...... :)
Gaya Ethaniel: It does take some practice to unlearn and see things differently maybe.
Zen (zen.arado): thinking produces paradoxes
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Cyber
Mitsu Ishii: I think it's paradoxical in that our ordinary way of thinking is that if we make an effort, then we get results, and without effort, we don't get results.
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello cybersufi :)
Mitsu Ishii: but in this case it's the opposite
Avy Runner: hi cyber :)
cybersufi: ah ha this is were you all go lol
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Cybersufi :)
Mitsu Ishii: yet there is still the gesture of practice or some sort of gesture.
Zen (zen.arado): hi cyber
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey ya, Cyber-ya.
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me loves "some sort of gesture,"
Mickorod Renard: yes, we must embark on the practice, for without we wont learn
cybersufi: hold on I will go and fetch lugh sitting there all alone
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): poor Lugh.
Mickorod Renard: I dont think we should try and understand everything all at once
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Why not, Mick?
Avy Runner: ordinary thinking is based on survivalmechanisms that want to keep our body alive, not our mind
Agatha Macbeth: I don't think we CAN Mick :p
Mickorod Renard: the understanding comes at its own pace
Gaya Ethaniel: /me nods.
Ataraxia Azemus: In a sense...the effort of practice is like the act of looking, maybe. The difficulty, the clarity, will vary from person to person, but it can be a simple everyday doing, too, and not a quest to embark on.
Eliza Madrigal: /me thinks of practice also like 'feeding' the inner being.... that appetite is part of the expression in a sense... something like that
Ataraxia Azemus: Dusting...
Ataraxia Azemus: :)
Mitsu Ishii: the Korean zen master Seung sahn used to like to say "Only don't know!"
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me ponders Dusting it all at once.
Avy Runner: :: Eliza
Mitsu Ishii: the point of practice is to move into a space of Being rather than a space of understanding in a conceptual sense. there is a kind of knowing but not necessarily conceptual knowing
Zen (zen.arado): /me doesn't know
Avy Runner: right Mitsu
Eliza Madrigal: :) Zen
Zen (zen.arado): he also said #it is a mistake to seek enlightenment'
Mickorod Renard: ways of knowing,,its a good title for this group
Ataraxia Azemus: :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): :-)
Zen (zen.arado): so there are no ways :)
Zen (zen.arado): e might as well give up :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Ways of not-knowing
Avy Runner: or many Zen :)
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): and there is each way. . . Dharma Gates are infinite.
Xeno Octavia: if ego seeks enlightenment it not work --if its elimination of ego [attachment]
Eliza Madrigal: infinite doors
Eliza Madrigal: :) Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: The Doors of perception
Calvino Rabeni: How about taking "ways of knowing" at face value?
Eliza Madrigal: well we could unpack the word knowing endessly as well...
Xeno Octavia: whispers: meaning??
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): "Vehicles" of knowing?
Zen (zen.arado): like Donald Rumsfeldt
Calvino Rabeni: Like .. looking at poetry . or taichi . or relatioships ..
Xeno Octavia: my way is 'Lilayan'
Agatha Macbeth: Eek
Calvino Rabeni: yes Bruce, different vehicles
Xeno Octavia: Lilayana'
Anya Heberle: are you in rnt f or bhnd tim
Eliza Madrigal: :) Xeno
Avy Runner: right Cal.....
Dao Yheng: are you proposing our next topic Calvino?
Xeno Octavia: play way
Avy Runner: starting where you are
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Like the "kire" in a haiku . . . BOOM --- Knowing!
Zen (zen.arado): or a koan..
Calvino Rabeni: Everyone is a kaliedoscope of different ways of knowing
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): oh yes -- Koan.
Calvino Rabeni: I'm curious about the gravitational pull to "not knowing"
Ataraxia Azemus: I love that, Cal
Xeno Octavia: ah 'the weights of knowing'
Gaya Ethaniel: uh ... is this 'why' question?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Avy Runner: ??? Ca;
Avy Runner: Cal*
Zen (zen.arado): find the gravitational goes the other way:)
Zen (zen.arado): /me wants to know
Xeno Octavia: is then called 'Levity'
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Ha!
Avy Runner: hmmmmm
Dao Yheng: :)
Calvino Rabeni: ah. what then is the source of the desire to swim upstream, Zen?
Anya Heberle: are you in front of or behind time?
Zen (zen.arado): don't know
Xeno Octavia: Salmon??
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me ponders this wonderful metaphor.
Zen (zen.arado): survival mechanism knowing
Calvino Rabeni: Isn't there a kind of fixed idea .. "simplify life" .. somehow involved in this?
Eliza Madrigal: /me smiles that bruce's ponderings often give me permission to pause
Anya Heberle: no#
Anya Heberle: lol:)
Mickorod Renard: I sometimes think of floating down a river,,with lots of currents and so forth,,but experiencing the passing life,,but every so often get caught in an eddi
Gaya Ethaniel: ouch
Mitsu Ishii: yeah, the strange thing about all this is that "not knowing" doesn't mean literally celebrating ignorance or something
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): /me thinks -- Me too - pausing/dropping.
Mickorod Renard: or lil vortex
Zen (zen.arado): being happy with not knowing?
Zen (zen.arado): at reast with it?
Mitsu Ishii: it means recognizing that there is a fundamental limit to ordinary knowledge and yet that is okay
Agatha Macbeth: Ignorance is bliss?
Zen (zen.arado): rest
Mickorod Renard: I need rest
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Drop.
Calvino Rabeni: Is there any real reason for "not knowing" other than that it opens the door to more "ways of knowing" ?
Zen (zen.arado): i a way it is I guess
Avy Runner: not knowing is on the other side of knowing, but those paradoxes are never opposites
Eliza Madrigal: way of Knowing is way of Being... in which lots of things are known and not known
Xeno Octavia: yes my authenticity knows all -- i jst paly and trust
Eliza Madrigal: is=seems.... taming the sentence a bit
Mitsu Ishii: or one could say recognizing that we don't have a complete picture of the world (and never can). it's not about shutting down inquiry but opening it up.
Zen (zen.arado): and there are unknown knowns
Avy Runner: whispers: can we drop teh being
Mitsu Ishii: we think the world is X but it is also far beyond X.
Calvino Rabeni: So we have a cornucopia of ways of knowing
Mitsu Ishii: I like that way of saying it Calvino
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Dharma gates are infinite.
Eliza Madrigal: beyond conceptualizations seems enactment, expression, gestures.... practice...
Xeno Octavia: my buddha nature is fully aware --i need not get caught up in worldly BS
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): I vow to enter them all.
Zen (zen.arado): but are gateless gates...
Gaya Ethaniel: Indeed Bruce, so give up about achievement already.
Mickorod Renard: hold on,,,what are dhama gates?
Zen (zen.arado): said that last night :(
Ataraxia Azemus: A gate without posts is surely infinite :)
 Agatha Macbeth: Bill's brother?
Mitsu Ishii: Stim likes to say one can talk, do your taxes, give a lecture, do mathematics, etc., all in this non-doing way
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Agatha, haha
Xeno Octavia: actually gate-s empty
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Every perception is potentially a door to enlightenment.
Calvino Rabeni: I was listening to Stephen Batchelor interview today .. you know it, Zen ... about how buddhism has been dominated by the monastic ethos of the east, and needs to be re-conceptualized from the ground up for our own cultures
Xeno Octavia: gate gate
Xeno Octavia: paragate
Zen (zen.arado): we erect the gates ourselves
Xeno Octavia: parasamgate
Agatha Macbeth: Watergate
Xeno Octavia: bodhi svaha
Zen (zen.arado): bodhi sava
Mitsu Ishii: I think Batchelor has a point
Zen (zen.arado): close :)
Eliza Madrigal: sleepy... thanks everyone
Mickorod Renard: yes, me too
Mickorod Renard: bye eLIZA
Agatha Macbeth: /me waves to Sleepy
Ataraxia Azemus: Goodnight Eliza :)
Avy Runner: yes, Batchelor has a point
Agatha Macbeth: Take care
Mickorod Renard: sleep tite
Zen (zen.arado): nite Eliza
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Eliza.
cybersufi: Late, by myself, in the boat of myself,
 no light and no land anywhere,
 cloudcover thick. I try to stay
 just above the surface,
 yet I'm already under
 and living with the ocean.
Eliza Madrigal: bye :) gratsi
Avy Runner: nit eEliza
Xeno Octavia: ah we closong
Agatha Macbeth: Buona notte belissima
Anya Heberle: goodnit EW
Anya Heberle: Eliza
Zen (zen.arado): nite Anya
Ataraxia Azemus: I should be going, too. Thank you, everyone...be well :)
Mitsu Ishii: good bye everyone!
Agatha Macbeth: Time for me to sling my hook too - sayonara
Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks for coming all :)
Zen (zen.arado): nite Atari
Mickorod Renard: nite everyone,,I must go to
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Batchelor provides a wonderful existential view of Buddhist thought.
Mickorod Renard: thankyou
Anya Heberle: sayonara
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Very valuable -- but not the "Final Answer."
Xeno Octavia: so --TY All been fun
Zen (zen.arado): nite Xeno
Gaya Ethaniel: But the Bodhisattva bow is an inspiration too ...
Zen (zen.arado): yes
Gaya Ethaniel: Think big in a way ...
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Bruce (bruce.mowbray): OMG -- Bruce suddenly realizes what time it is -- must go. THANK YOU everyone.
Dao Yheng: :)
Dao Yheng: Bye bruce, bye all!
Zen (zen.arado): bye Bruce
Gaya Ethaniel: See you next week everyone :)
Zen (zen.arado): bye Dao