01.20.2011 - Beauty III

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eldir Resident: Hello again, most others :)
Xeno Octavia: hi all!!
Mickorod Renard: thats a beautiful subject
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Mickorod Renard: Hi Xeno
Eliza Madrigal: Hiya Folks!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
Dao Yheng: Hi all!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eliza
Dao Yheng: Yes, one of the unexpected side benefits of discussing beauty is getting a lot of interesting links to art and images :)
Avy Runner: men, what you call walking is taking my breath away
Avy Runner: hi everyone
Eliza Madrigal: I will leave a littl early today, BUT my daughter will turn off the computer at 3:15 so I will post the session log :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Avy
Dao Yheng: Hi Avy -- you always make a good entrance
Wol Euler: :)
Avy Runner: :)
Wol Euler: great av, avy
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Avy :D
Avy Runner: hmmmm
Eliza Madrigal: Dao, I'm on a diff computer today... do you have the ways of knowing link?
Dao Yheng: http://waysofknowing.kira.org/
Mickorod Renard: Avy, isnt it risky sitting next to big bad Gilles?
Wol Euler: avy is the only one not at risk :)
Eliza Madrigal: thanks much... you had a wonderful quote
Wol Euler: being made of plastic :)
Avy Runner: I think I'm not tasty to him :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
Avy Runner: only plastic
Eliza Madrigal: from Dao's report:

"“There are various orders of beauty, causing men to make fools of themselves in various styles... but there is one order of beauty which seems made to turn the heads not only of men, but of all intelligent mammals, even of women. It is a beauty like that of kittens, or very small downy ducks making gentle rippling noises with their soft bills, or babies just beginning to toddle and to engage in conscious mischief — a beauty with which you can never be angry, but that you feel ready to crush for inability to comprehend the state of mind into which it throws you.”
George Eliot

Eliza Madrigal: really nice, thanks Dao
Avy Runner: :)
Mickorod Renard: Avy, isnt it riskyyea,,ty
Mickorod Renard: ignor that,,delayed words
Avy Runner: :)
Xeno Octavia: i remember a book on Navaho and Tibetan that said navaho 'Beauty' equive to Tibetan 'Truth'
Eliza Madrigal: how interesting Xeno
Wol Euler: John Keats said much the same thing
Xeno Octavia: was kool book
Wol Euler: Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
Zon Kwan: hm..isnt beauty what is inside us
Gilles Kuhn: i would like to stay but i have something to settle...... too bad about beauty dont forget plato and the banquet btw :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)) Thanks Gilles
Wol Euler: bye gilles, ravage and slaughter well :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Gilles
Dao Yheng: bye gilles!
Avy Runner: bye gilles
Xeno Octavia: bye
Gilles Kuhn: lol yep cry havoc and unleash the dogs of war ! ;-)
Wol Euler: ;:))
Eliza Madrigal: so is beauty something visceral?
Xeno Octavia: not on med shows
Eliza Madrigal: both those quotes seem to point to 'knowing'
Eliza Madrigal: :)) X
Wol Euler: our reaction to it is perhaps
Mickorod Renard: sometimes ones opinion is directed dependant on how cynical a mood one is in..in my opinion
Mickorod Renard: yes
Zon Kwan: beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Eliza Madrigal: so you miss beauty when closed down or preoccupied....
Wol Euler: /me nods.
Xeno Octavia: so is truth then??
Eliza Madrigal: so there is an open quality....
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Zon Kwan: truth, beauty, goodness are all perspectives of the existence
Zon Kwan: different aspects
Eliza Madrigal: Avy would you like to say something about your homework report? was nicely written : http://waysofknowing.kira.org/3Reports/Avy_Runner/Report_79
Xeno Octavia: existence tho --is all illusun

Avy Runner: well I wonder what beauty exist of
Avy Runner: what it appeals in us
Mickorod Renard: there appears to be beauty in ones lives when one is comfortable,,and also beauty when one needs to look for it,,somewhere in the middle we are a bit lost in daily activities to notice..
Zon Kwan: what we want is beautiful to us
Avy Runner: and besids beauty I found something I named 'interesting'
Eliza Madrigal: ?
Avy Runner: which can give us an awe, but is that necesarrily beauty
Mickorod Renard: there is something beautful in interesting
Zon Kwan: we dont want somethig cause its beautiful, but it is beautiful cause we want it
Avy Runner: it is part of what I have been thinkin on in our last discussion
Eliza Madrigal: Cal uses the word 'uncanny' which is interesting in this context
Eliza Madrigal: hmmm, nods
Eliza Madrigal: sometimes people want things because they think others will find them beautiful for having it...
Avy Runner: maybe there is an evolutionary description of beauty
Avy Runner: a spiritual one
Avy Runner: an art one
Eliza Madrigal: maybe, nice distinction... but both point to a kind of life evoked
Eliza Madrigal: drawing out, noticing...

Dao Yheng: 'interesting' is maybe what we call those things that call out an adversive reaction, but still see some sense of presence or quality there?
Alfred Kelberry: *peeks into the window*
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, nods... presence
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Alf :)
Avy Runner: adversive reaction yes, sounds right
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Alfred Kelberry: *waves*

Mickorod Renard: I was hinking earlier doday,,whilst driving to work,,at how we need beauty to find the desire to bring up babies..otherwise we would be too selfish
Mickorod Renard: Hi alf
Wol Euler: get your corrugated butt in here, boxy
Alfred Kelberry: is it ways of knowing?
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes Alf
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Avy Runner: hi Alf
Eliza Madrigal: so the evolutionary aspect, Mick.. beauty and love
eldir Resident: alf, how can you look in the window. you are too short
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Alfred Kelberry: on my tiptoes :)
Avy Runner: :) Edir
eldir Resident: but full of beauty
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Mickorod Renard: I saw dead kangaroo on the roadside and thought of them carying their babies in the pouch
Avy Runner: wow, he climbed the kiliminjaro in one attempt :)
Alfred Kelberry: cute avy, avy :)
Avy Runner: thanks boxy :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen
Mickorod Renard: Hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi all
Avy Runner: hi Zen
Zon Kwan: zen
Eliza Madrigal: babies are born with huge evokative eyes one can stare into forever... does seem to help take care of them....
Alfred Kelberry: poor kangaroo
Dao Yheng: In a sense, all children are born out of a love for beauty

Mickorod Renard: but I questioned,,what would make an animal,,without deep thought,do such wonderful things bringing their young up

Eliza Madrigal: hmmm
Xeno Octavia: an i thought love for s--
Zon Kwan: nature makes me see beautiful those issues i need to do..like make babies
Alfred Kelberry: dao, sometimes it's just lust
Mickorod Renard: there is something inbred in us to feel for beauty
Eliza Madrigal: /me nods...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mitsu :)
Zen Arado: isn't it an evolutionarily reinforced behaviour pattern?
Avy Runner: hi mtisu
Zen Arado: Hi Mitsu
Mitsu Ishii: hi. managed to get through the wall before it rezzed
Dao Yheng: yeah, but how do you decide who you're going to lust after?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Mitsu
Mitsu Ishii: I am on a very slow connection here
Zon Kwan: ur sobconscious
Zon Kwan: calculates
eldir Resident: Helo Mitsu
Zon Kwan: who is the best mother
Zon Kwan: for ur genes
Avy Runner: looking into babies eyes, sounds like evolutionary beauty yes
Alfred Kelberry: yes... beauty can take many forms...
Zen Arado: we are genetically programmed to behave that way?
Xeno Octavia: how we act is a cultural interp of genetic pattern
Eliza Madrigal: beauty decides... that seems to be what was said by first quotes...
Mickorod Renard: as childen,,do we see beauty like we do as adults?
Zon Kwan: something in us decides..then we see it as beautiful
Eliza Madrigal: but what beauty is, is different at various angles and points in life
Mickorod Renard: or does it come at puberty?
Ataraxia Azemus: Good question Mickorod!
Avy Runner: yes
Xeno Octavia: no zen we are setup genetically but act memetically
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ataraxia
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi everyone :)
Avy Runner: hi Ataraxia
Mickorod Renard: hi Ataraxia
Xeno Octavia: hi Atari kool ta see ya : ))
Alfred Kelberry: mick, it's refined in puberty by social norms

Zen Arado: animals don't use memes do they?
Avy Runner: and jazz
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Xeno :)
Zen Arado: thought that was human ideas
Eliza Madrigal: what do we know about that really....
Jazzmine Jenkins: hi everyone
Mickorod Renard: :)
Zen Arado: Hi Xeno, Ataraxia
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Jazz
Zen Arado: Hi Jasmine
Mickorod Renard: Hi Jazz
Ataraxia Azemus: I like to hope that our notion of beauty is refined throughout life
Eliza Madrigal: /me nods
Avy Runner: if we as humans can distingues different kinds of beauty, there must be more then just the genetical one
Zen Arado: refined a good word
Xeno Octavia: oh u mean memeetics no --genotype to pheno type to memotype --all we do is memetic
Alfred Kelberry: ata, it sure is
Eliza Madrigal: more complex and accepting and maybe 'interesting'
Zon Kwan: thee is the Beauty..and things that express that beauty
Avy Runner: yes
Avy Runner: maybe it is even more in our ability to question
Zen Arado: not too good on biology :(
Ataraxia Azemus: I think I have several notions of beauty, actually, and I switch them around as I need to
Alfred Kelberry: i recall a quote from sting who once said that he would forbid to make love before 40 :)
Eliza Madrigal: that said, I have to go, but as I mentioned I will be here in av until my dd turns off the computer
(unless SL logs me off- hope not)
Zen Arado: bye Eliza
Dao Yheng: bye Eliza!
Mickorod Renard: bye Eiza
Avy Runner: bye Eliza
Alfred Kelberry: eliza :)
Ataraxia Azemus: Bye Eliza :)
Xeno Octavia: yes Alf but he sed none after 41!
Wol Euler: bye eliza, take care
Xeno Octavia: bye Eliza

Mickorod Renard: beauty for me seems to generate some sort of chemical change in me
Mickorod Renard: some sort of soothing flow
Alfred Kelberry: xeno, can you testify for validity of this quote? :)
Avy Runner: /me raises his eyebrows, he doesn't have, making love between 40 and 41

Ataraxia Azemus: Is anyone familiar with Schopenhauer's aesthetic bliss?
Alfred Kelberry: nope
Avy Runner: sorry, no
Alfred Kelberry: do tell
Mickorod Renard: tell us more?
Xeno Octavia: lol Avy --sense of humor a thing of beauty and humanities saving grace
Avy Runner: hehehe
Zen Arado: sounds interesting Atarazia
Xeno Octavia: Atari i rememb it wasnt women
Avy Runner: Ihave some thoughts about humor and beauty, but will leave the floor to Schopenhauer

Ataraxia Azemus: It's been too long for me to get all the jargon right, but the idea is that, because life is imperfect and never meets our expectations, we can only find lasting happiness in works of transcendent beauty, in which we momentarily forget ourselves
Mickorod Renard: I can sense that in some way
Ataraxia Azemus: Schop wasn't as harsh on women as he gets a rep for...he'd have respected anyone who called him on it :)
Zen Arado: not sure that works for me
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes... it's like a sudden minute of happiness
Xeno Octavia: like when SL is so kool we forgets FL : ))
Alfred Kelberry: i remember those
Ataraxia Azemus: Well, he was grumpy. It just came to mind.
Avy Runner: getting involved in an 'object' forgetting who is what
Zen Arado: he was rather pessimistic I think
Ataraxia Azemus: Yes, Avy, Xeno

Ataraxia Azemus: We become beauty, when we see it
Avy Runner: no observer, no object of observation, no observing
Ataraxia Azemus: Just a smidge
Zon Kwan: we project beauty
Zen Arado: wonder what kind of transcendent beauty he meant?
Xeno Octavia: yes more pessy than misogyny
eldir Resident: I nned to leave now, thank you all
Zon Kwan: waves...
Ataraxia Azemus: It could be anything, Zen. Anything that moves us enough to forget ourselves. A work of art, a natural scene...
Mickorod Renard: bye Eldir
Wol Euler: bye eldir, take carte
Wol Euler: *care
Ataraxia Azemus: Bye Eldir :)
Xeno Octavia: nite Eld
Avy Runner: bye eldir

Dao Yheng: Interesting that "forgetting ourselves" is part of the picture
Mickorod Renard: there is that situation where ones legs even give way
Mickorod Renard: that is true forget oneselves
Xeno Octavia: must forget our egoselves to experience real selves
Alfred Kelberry: mick, maybe it's when projection of your mind meets a perfect match in rl?
Xeno Octavia: whispers: ??
Mickorod Renard: for something so lovely as beauty,,in all its forms,,I am supprised the human race isnt addicted to it more
Alfred Kelberry: just for a second
Zen Arado: not many things move me that much

Ataraxia Azemus: Yes. Sometimes we're too caught up in oufselves, and this then wonderful thing just makes us gasp and say, "Wow."

Then we're really looking.

Zen Arado: guess i'm an old grump too
Dao Yheng: it is amazing the way our whole body responds
Avy Runner: maybe we are Mick, without knowing, taking it as 'normal'
Alfred Kelberry: *zaps zen lightly* :)
Mickorod Renard: mmm
Avy Runner: maybe beauty is attachment
Dao Yheng: even the way the eyes focus
Mickorod Renard: its one attachment i am happy with
Xeno Octavia: do we still experience that --when we at point to see ALL IS BEAUTY
Zen Arado: if we wnat more of the same experience it is
Avy Runner: no, it is attachement once we call it beauty
Alfred Kelberry: "all is beauty" is an utopia

Zen Arado: it might lose the beauty if we attach
Zen Arado: we kill it
Avy Runner: yes Zen
Xeno Octavia: no it is understanding!!
Ataraxia Azemus: Can beauty make our lives more fulfilling, even when they aren't beautiful?
Mickorod Renard: there does seem a way to see beauty even in the most bad situations
Ataraxia Azemus: Brain jinx :)
Zen Arado: if we can learn to see beauty in more things around us is better
Zen Arado: yes Mick
Wol Euler: /me excuses herself quietly and slips away. Goodnight all, be beautiful.
Zen Arado: nite Wol
Xeno Octavia: attachment is to pareticular instance of 'beauty' but BEAUTY is actually detachmewnt
Ataraxia Azemus: Goodnight Wol :)
Mickorod Renard: I try nd do this at work,,for others in stress
Xeno Octavia: nite Wol
Mickorod Renard: bye Wol
Ataraxia Azemus: Yes, I'm with Xeno on that
Dao Yheng: How so, Mickorod?
Avy Runner: hmmmm, would like to have a closer look on that Xeno
Xeno Octavia: : )
Ataraxia Azemus: But beauty is maybe involvement
Zen Arado: aGREE WE MUST FIND INVOLVEMENT
Zen Arado: sorry caps
Mickorod Renard: I ty and turn things around,,at bad times,,and find the beauty in the situation,,it helps lots
Xeno Octavia: beauty diff than BEAUTY [DHARMA}
Alfred Kelberry: zen, how do you see beauty in more things?
Zen Arado: so beauty is a mindset?
Xeno Octavia: tru involve deeply only possib with detachment
Zen Arado: looking at them more closely is one way Boxy
Avy Runner: I think so
Zen Arado: looking for the beauty
Avy Runner: but if we are involved, we no longer would call it beauty
Xeno Octavia: avoid or attachg screws it up [to b vernacular ] : )
Zen Arado: getting under our preconceptions
Mickorod Renard: perhaps this is a way of knowing,,all bad things can also have beauty
Alfred Kelberry: what's beauty for you?
Avy Runner: and looking for the beauty in bad situations is beauty used in another context
Dao Yheng: I suppose I feel shy about beauty in those troubled situations, Mick, afraid I'm going to trivalize it
Avy Runner: I agree with that too

Alfred Kelberry: what does pop in your mind when you hear "beauty"?

Zen Arado: as Cal said last week even an oil spull can have a type of beauty
Xeno Octavia: every thing has its own beauty/Beauty ask flies about sh--
Ataraxia Azemus: I understand that, Dao
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: I will go with the flow
Zen Arado: for who Boxy?
Ataraxia Azemus: "Beauty" is more or less synonymous with "meaningful" for me
Dao Yheng: But at the same time, I'm intrigued -- will try it again sometime, and if doesn't work, I'll tell 'em Mick told me to do it!
Avy Runner: I think looking for beauty does not mean trivilizing the situation
Alfred Kelberry: zen, you and others
Zen Arado: it means looking deeper
Avy Runner: looking for beauty can keep you away from putting a tag on it and barrying it
Zen Arado: I like colours
Ataraxia Azemus: Even scary, sad things can be beautiful if there's some meaningful quality there; sometimes especially sad things
Zen Arado: colours of flowers and shrubs
Alfred Kelberry: zen, give us an image :)
Avy Runner: looking for beauty means, it shows ways to be able to deal with the troubled situation
Alfred Kelberry: first thing that comes to you
Mickorod Renard: is not karma beauty in progress?
Zen Arado: like red azaleas with sunlit hitting them in spring
Avy Runner: not necesarilly
Alfred Kelberry: zen, nice :)
Ataraxia Azemus: If your karma leads you through something beautiful
Ataraxia Azemus: Yeah, that's not circular at ALL! :)
Xeno Octavia: hi Cal
Avy Runner: hi Cal
Alfred Kelberry: i think sharing images gives us that deeper meaning that we look for :)
Ataraxia Azemus: Hi Calvino
Calvino Rabeni: hello everyone
Mickorod Renard: Hi Cal
Alfred Kelberry: hi, cal

Avy Runner: I'm wondering if we have wondered off from beauty :)
Mickorod Renard: perhaps
Avy Runner: *wandered
Zen Arado: Hi Cal :)
Ataraxia Azemus: Detours often lead you to beauty...the scenic route :)
Mickorod Renard: I think its a broad subjeect
Xeno Octavia: whispers: Cal can give a definitive definition ??
Avy Runner: we get in the things that are connected to beauty
Alfred Kelberry: ata, yes, break out of a habit to a new perspective
Zen Arado: it is indefinable I think
Calvino Rabeni: /me prefers poetically suggestive definitions to definitive definitions
Avy Runner: if we would have the time, maybe yes
Alfred Kelberry: mick, what's your picture of beauty?
Zen Arado: means so many things to different people
Ataraxia Azemus: I think surprise may be an aspect of beauty, as well as deep recognition
Ataraxia Azemus: Definitely :)
Xeno Octavia: i likes ambi guity too!!
Alfred Kelberry: zen, then maybe we can define emotions that beauty inflect on us?
Dao Yheng: hmm, nice Ataraxia
Zen Arado: as is the old and familiar with the patina of age
Mickorod Renard: Alf, I have said too much already
Alfred Kelberry: mick, ok :)
Calvino Rabeni: <me> <heart> <ambiguity>
Zen Arado: think that's even harder boxy
Alfred Kelberry: i just like seeing pictures :)
Xeno Octavia: : ) Cal
Zen Arado: different people react so differently
Zen Arado: to the same object
Avy Runner: I have one boxy, my contribution last week
Alfred Kelberry: avy?
Avy Runner: adn we had a lot of pictures last week
Dao Yheng: Mickorod, it's always a pleasure to listen to you!
Alfred Kelberry: i missed those :)
Mickorod Renard: :) ty
Mickorod Renard: I like the idea of being in space and seeing the earth blue
Mickorod Renard: but as we know,,all on earth is not so perfect
Xeno Octavia: yes better blue than blown

Calvino Rabeni: I missed the start ... Eliza was there any carrover from the PaB session topic on appreciating appearance?
Alfred Kelberry: mick, pale blue dot :)
Mickorod Renard: he he
Dao Yheng: Cal, Eliza is afk at the moment
Calvino Rabeni: Ok,...
Dao Yheng: but it sounds interesting -- do you have something in mind about the appreciating appearance angle?
Zen Arado: yes I missed that
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, Beauty as the experiential event of appreciating the appearance of Being ...
Alfred Kelberry: mick, i like the idea of visiting voyager and keep him company now and then. he's so lonely out there...
Calvino Rabeni: In other words it distinguishes beauty as experience, from beauty as an externally imposed image schema
Xeno Octavia: so all is beauty since all is Being
Mickorod Renard: :)
Calvino Rabeni: I think potentially it *could* be
Ataraxia Azemus: There's a science fiction story about that that I love, Alfred :)
Alfred Kelberry: ata, really? what story?
Calvino Rabeni: like the story of mohammed and the stray dog
Avy Runner: /me feels some naussia by the words 'appreciating the appearance of being'
Calvino Rabeni: Avy :)
Alfred Kelberry: avy :)
Calvino Rabeni: I know what you mean
Calvino Rabeni: It's not a good move
Zen Arado: feel it too Avy
Mickorod Renard: there ust b layer of observation,,and beuaty is resident on certain ones
Xeno Octavia: how bout Being the appreciation of appearance
Zen Arado: is beauty inherent to something or do we attach it on as a property?
Mickorod Renard: scuse my spelling
Ataraxia Azemus: I'm not sure of the title, but it's in Yukinobu Hoshino's 2001 Nights series....an early AI space probe is visited by one of the astronauts who helped build him some 50 years later.
Calvino Rabeni: I like the angle of stepping right into the immediate act of appearing
Alfred Kelberry: ata,oh! sounds exciting :)
Dao Yheng: ooh, story time?
Ataraxia Azemus: It's bittersweet and, well, beautiful :)
Alfred Kelberry: like schweppes
Mickorod Renard: had it felt as if it had been abandoned?

Zen Arado: I remember trying to make eggs look beautiful in a painting
Avy Runner: :) Zen
Calvino Rabeni: what is the trick, Zen?
Zen Arado: no really
Xeno Octavia: try Dragon eggs
Zen Arado: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjhtaylor/2413554868/
Ataraxia Azemus: She had, Mick; he'd just continued on his voyage, reminiscing about their past together.
Zen Arado: tried to add colours
Calvino Rabeni: very nice, Zen :) thanks
Alfred Kelberry: oh, i thought of fried eggs for some reason :)
Mickorod Renard: its funny how we an have feelings for things that are artificial
Zen Arado: there is more colour in everyday objects than we often realize until we look closely
Dao Yheng: difficult to paint light -- well done!
Avy Runner: nice eggs :)
Calvino Rabeni: the looking reveals the colors
Avy Runner: that's your stomich talking boxy :)
Zen Arado: the utilitarian version of eggs boxy :)
Calvino Rabeni: yes, a beautiful painting

Dao Yheng: Er, hmm -- topic for next week?
Alfred Kelberry: zen gogh! http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjhtayl...n/photostream/
Mickorod Renard: my laptop is slow
Zen Arado: well you see how I love colour anyway
Zen Arado: just my taste
Zen Arado: I have a suggestion
Avy Runner: yes, topic for next week
Zen Arado: if no one else has
Alfred Kelberry: painting is hard
Dao Yheng: Have we ever tried this one that Eliza posted? http://waysofknowing.kira.org/Homework_Ideas/Basic_Goodness
Xeno Octavia: i tend ta elementary badness
Dao Yheng: hee hee!
Ataraxia Azemus: I like this topic
Mickorod Renard: wow,,nice Zen
Dao Yheng: maybe choose teams and we'll have tug of war next time!
Avy Runner: war??
Zen Arado: thought we did that one Dao? I remember the bright pearl
Zen Arado: but ok with me
Dao Yheng: also mentions Mickorod's (blue) dot
Avy Runner: /me feels getting pale around the nose
Xeno Octavia: by the way folks just got thgis message:
Xeno Octavia: You are invited to attend Buddhist readings by Mojo Manamiko at 4 PM SLT in the main temple of the Buddha Center - in voice
Ataraxia Azemus: Thanks, Xeno :)
Zen Arado: too late for me
Zen Arado: thanks anyway
Mickorod Renard: ty Xeno
Dao Yheng: thanks Xeno!
Xeno Octavia: oh and : http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buddhism/137/130/21
Zen Arado: I need my beauty sleep :)
Alfred Kelberry: *finds a cosy spot next to eliza*
Avy Runner: I need sleep period :)

Mickorod Renard: is Gaya ok?
Ataraxia Azemus: Sleep? I've heard of that.
Alfred Kelberry: gaya? what's wrong?
Dao Yheng: Yes, good question!
Mickorod Renard: wondered where she is
Alfred Kelberry: i've seen her a few days ago
Alfred Kelberry: she was fine
Zen Arado: she was o last night
Zen Arado: ok
Mickorod Renard: ok,,ty
Zen Arado: might be busy getting ready for retreat next week
Alfred Kelberry: made me a bit worry for our cute bunny gaya :)
Dao Yheng: she's excused for tonight then :)
Avy Runner: so..... how are we going to do this 'war'?
Alfred Kelberry: what war?
Calvino Rabeni: Bye all :)
Dao Yheng: OK, Let's do basic goodness (since some of us don't remember it :) and we'll think of something really new next time!
Mickorod Renard: bye Cal
Zen Arado: sure
Ataraxia Azemus: Bye Calvino :)
Zen Arado: bye Cal
Avy Runner: Dao Yheng: maybe choose teams and we'll have tug of war next time!
Avy Runner: bye Cal
Zen Arado: searches for his basic goodness.....
Zen Arado: hard to find....
Dao Yheng: right -- or elementary badness!
Avy Runner: my goodness !!
Dao Yheng: Nice sitting with you all -- have a good evening!
Zen Arado: different from Christianity where we are all rotten sinners
Ataraxia Azemus: Goodnight Dao :)
Zen Arado: bye Dao
Avy Runner: bye Dao
Mickorod Renard: bye Dao, take care
Mickorod Renard: I must sneak out too..thanks for the evening
Xeno Octavia: yes my badness not basic just worldly dispaly : ))
Zen Arado: nite Mick
Avy Runner: I'm going too, nite everyone
Mickorod Renard: nite all
Avy Runner: or have a good day :)
Zen Arado: nite avy
Alfred Kelberry: um, boxy has to go too
Ataraxia Azemus: Goodnight Mick and Avy :)
Alfred Kelberry: meep!
Zen Arado: nite boxy
Ataraxia Azemus: And everyone else!
Zen Arado: I'm off too then
Xeno Octavia: btw if any of u havent seen Unity's --creation story' go do aso
Zen Arado: ok
Zen Arado: nite all
Xeno Octavia: yup is bye time