Ways of Knowing - November 10, 2010 -- Planning WoK's Future
Calvino Rabeni: welcome hello Bruce and Wol
Wol Euler: hello calvino
Bruce: Hello, Cal and Wol.
Bruce: (dusted off and riding once again Wol)
Wol Euler: Wol Euler smiles.
(7S) Uncommon Fish: Papa Flame Angel Blue: Swimming speed set to Stop.
Wol Euler: hello pila
Pila Mulligan: greetings
boxy: hi!
boxy: pila-san :)
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Pila
Bruce: Welcome, Pila!
boxy: the master of i and ching :)
Pila Mulligan: I hope all is well with each of us
boxy: yes, me too
Bruce: Hey, rectangular friend!
boxy: sadly though, i'm here just to greet you
boxy: have to go now
boxy: sorry folks
boxy: enjoy the wok!
Calvino Rabeni: Adieu Boxy
Aggers: Hi WoKers :)
Pila Mulligan: hi Ags
Bruce: Hey, aggers!
Wol Euler: well, you know the old Chinese saying: "a wok is only as good as what goes in it"
Aggers: Hiya brucie
Wol Euler: hello aggers
Aggers: Aggers pokes Wol ♥
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bruce: It's not the destination; it's the wok.
Wol Euler: Wol Euler eyes your outfit and considers wearing it too, but would have to go human for that
Calvino Rabeni: Wok this Way
Bruce: (a pedestrian pun)
Aggers: Fiddler on the hoof
Bruce: Bruce looks around for Aph.
Aggers: Maybe she's under the couch
Wol Euler: eating cookie crumbs, no doubt
Bruce: just sent her a tp.
Aggers: eekeek
Pila Mulligan: Evidence has been found that William Tell and his family were avid
bowlers. Unfortunately, all the Swiss league records were destroyed in a
fire, ...and so we'll never know for whom the Tells bowled.
Wol Euler: ha
Aggers: Middlesex?
Pila Mulligan: A man rushed into a busy doctor's office and shouted, "Doctor! I think
I'm shrinking!" The doctor calmly responded, "Now, settle down.
You'll just have to be a little patient."
Bruce: Ask not for whom the Tells bowled - - They bowled for thee.
Aggers: :D
Aggers: The invisible man's outside
Aggers: tell him I can't see him right now
Bruce: http://waysofknowing.kira.org//
Pila Mulligan: hi Aph
Wol Euler: hello aph
Bruce: Hey, Aph!
Calvino Rabeni: Good day Aph
Aggers: G'day Aph
Bruce: http://hermitdog.com/questions_to_answer_re_WoK.htm
Calvino Rabeni: (sees Aph wok-ing in place)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi. Sorry I lost track of time
Aggers: Don't we all
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks for all coming
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a pile of questions to ask re the future of WoK
Bruce: Aph, I just gave a link to the updated questions. . .
Bruce: http://hermitdog.com/questions_to_answer_re_WoK.htm
Aphrodite Macbain: is everyone in agreement to answering them during this meeting?
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce
Calvino Rabeni: sure yes
Bruce: yeppers, trying to answer them, for sure.
Aphrodite Macbain: I was going to go through question by question
Bruce: cool by moi.
Aggers: moi aussi
Aphrodite Macbain: Cal and Bruce have answered all of them but I'm sure have many new suggestions to make
Aphrodite Macbain: Nice horns Bruce
Coffee Mug: whispers: Ahh! Fresh Hot Coffee
Bruce: ty!
Aphrodite Macbain: we need to IDENTIFY THE INITIAL OBJECTIVES OF WOK and then decide whether we could still organize sessions that support these objectives.
Contemplative Practice in Modern Life is what I believe WoK was meant to explore and was motivated by Stim.
Aphrodite Macbain: Here are some of your responses to this objective:
Aphrodite Macbain: Calvino Rabeni: One attraction though, to me, about the original formulation for WoK is that it asked the question about whether the ways of knowing of contemplative traditions could be brought into everyday life and its value systems, and if so how? So it offered a kind of balancing influence to current cognitive / economic values”
Bruce: "Contemplative traditions" (in my thinking) includes mystics of every religious label - I wish we could find folks who understood different contemplative strains as well as Stim understands those of Buddhism.
Aphrodite Macbain: are we happy to leave the term Contemplative Practice in Modern Life
Bruce: I'm happy with that.
Aphrodite Macbain: or do we want to replace it with some other objective for discussion?
Aphrodite Macbain: Aggrs? Wol? Pila?
Pila Mulligan: let's be careful about trying to emulate what Stim did, there is a line in the Tao Te Ching that says "If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand"
Wol Euler: Wol Euler smiles.
Aggers: Mm?
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Bruce: WoK is not exclusively bound by that . . .
Aphrodite Macbain: what are you suggesting- we dont addrss contemplative practice?
Aphrodite Macbain: Pila?
Aphrodite Macbain: or do we want to talk about mor than that?
Aphrodite Macbain: sorry about typos
Pila Mulligan: just what I said -- we do not have Stim here, and should not try to act as if we do
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Mick
Aggers: Yo Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi sorry i am late
Bruce: Hey, Mick!
Pila Mulligan: hi Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes but where do we go from here then Pila?
Mickorod Renard: hi folks
Pila Mulligan: on our own
Bruce: I will give Mick the link. . . carry on.
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce.
Calvino Rabeni: think for ourselves?
Mickorod Renard: ta
Pila Mulligan: :)
Calvino Rabeni: radical :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Pila, are you suggesting we come up with a new purpose?
Mickorod Renard: I have read the mails re wok
Pila Mulligan: I'm not suggesting anything at all, actually
Aphrodite Macbain: Is everyone agreed that we establish a new purpose?
Mickorod Renard: depends what the new purpose is
Aphrodite Macbain: and if so.... what?
Aphrodite Macbain: It is up to us to develop one Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: If I'm hearing correctly
Aphrodite Macbain: Pila - any suggestions?
Pila Mulligan: not really, I'm saying what WoK was meant to explore as motivated by Stim is history
Mickorod Renard: was it we got bored with the old one?
Aphrodite Macbain: Cal suggested this: whether the ways of knowing of contemplative traditions could be brought into everyday life and its value systems, and if so how?
Mickorod Renard: or did we not know what it was?
Aphrodite Macbain: Could we use that as a purpose?
Aggers: It's a shame Stim isn't here anymore
Pila Mulligan: true
Bruce: broadening our horizons, Mick.
Aphrodite Macbain: He's not, so let's come up with something
Pila Mulligan: we can come up with whatever we think we'd like to do
Aphrodite Macbain: so.... what do you think?
Mickorod Renard: I often think that we are still the same as we were 2000 years ago
Aphrodite Macbain: what we are trying to establish is a purpose for WoK
Aggers: Has it been going THAT long?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce: For moi, "Ways of Knowing" pretty well sums it up - - we are exploring all the ways of knowing that interest us -- contemplative, scientific, and whatever else catches out interest.
Aphrodite Macbain: I think Wok has been going a shorter time
Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain nods
Bruce: our*
Calvino Rabeni: I'm not suggesting studying contemplative traditions to import them into modern culture, but the bigger project of studying ways of knowing that we engage in and looking at whether traditional knowledge can shed light on that process
Bruce: yes, agrees with CVal and his typist on that.
Calvino Rabeni: So yes I think I agree with Bruce, that Ways of Knowing sums it up sufficiently
Bruce: Cal*
Aphrodite Macbain: what do the rest of yooou think?
Aphrodite Macbain: (including Val)
Aggers: Val?
Aphrodite Macbain: CalVal
Aphrodite Macbain: read above
Aggers: Ah
Aphrodite Macbain: our purpose is to explore ways of knowing...
Aphrodite Macbain: purpose
Bruce: my tyist is to blame for CVal (sry)
Mickorod Renard: I can see the logic in trying to see how what may appear out of date practice or understanding could in fact be realized as appropriate in the modern life if tweaked
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Bruce: indeed, Mick.
Aphrodite Macbain: If I hear agreed - and we tweaking by saying our purpose is ways of knowing
Aphrodite Macbain: tweak it
Bruce: Yayyyy!
Aphrodite Macbain: ok wol? Aggers?
Calvino Rabeni: a question is whether a "way of knowing" is considered to be at a practice level or at a broader "paradigm" level, or including multiple levels
Aphrodite Macbain: Pila?
Pila Mulligan: afk -- phone
Wol Euler: sure
Aggers: I don't see why approval is needed
Bruce: Bruce thinks Aph would make a good Quaker . . . trying to reach consensus.
Aphrodite Macbain: I would suggest we make it as broad as possible Cal
Mickorod Renard: perhaps unravel what may seem veiled to our modern mind by understanding the deeper values
Aphrodite Macbain: nicely put Mick
Bruce: yes, as broad as possible - - - (Great minds think alike....)
Bruce: indeed, well put. Let's move on.
Calvino Rabeni: I'd go for that, Aph, though it's worth defining each "wok" as closely as possible within the broad perspective of the group's charter ... (?)
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok then unless I hear any objections to this revised purpose- ways of knowing in the broadest sense- we will move on.
Aphrodite Macbain: each wok?
Calvino Rabeni: way of knowing as a topic
Mickorod Renard: but I am a little scared that we may loose the thread if we abandone traditional roots
Aphrodite Macbain: cal? what do you mean by each wok?
Bruce: each exploration. . .
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: each theme we address?
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok
Calvino Rabeni: focusing on the "knowing" aspects of the theme, etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't think we will be losing the original purpose Mick if we make this as broad as possible.
Bruce: Bruce hopes that Mick will help us find "original roots" in each exploration.
Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain smiles at Bruce
Calvino Rabeni: same :)
Mickorod Renard: well, I don't know them well
Bruce: ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: It's all available on the wiki Mick
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bruce: here/now roots are [perhaps] also original roots.
Aphrodite Macbain: OK
Aphrodite Macbain: moving on...
Aphrodite Macbain: # 2 .We need to decide what the procedures would be to shape the FORM AND CONTENT of WOK
Pila Mulligan: back
Aphrodite Macbain: 3. Shall we continue meeting weekly? Bi-weekly? Monthly?
Mickorod Renard: I was here at the beginning, and I must say that now I am a few years older,,revisiting the original would be seen from a new perspective now
Pila Mulligan: hi 0
Aphrodite Macbain: Hey Sam
Bruce: YO, 0!
Mickorod Renard: I will go wit the flow
Aggers: Hello 0
Samúð (oo0oo): Hi everyone :)... will just duck in and quietly listen
Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce could you send sam the summary?
Aggers: Whatever the flow is...
Aphrodite Macbain: 3. Shall we continue meeting weekly? Bi-weekly? Monthly?
Bruce: I am definitely for every other week.
Aphrodite Macbain: Cal?
Aggers: Val?
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Calvino Rabeni: every other week suits me also
Mickorod Renard: every other week sounds good, although I will miss the extra opportunity to make it
Aphrodite Macbain: If we really research the theme and want to go into some depth, it would be useful
Bruce: Bruce feels this agreement among great mind is going to his head.
Aphrodite Macbain: also it is a lot of work to do for one session
Aphrodite Macbain: ok with everyone?
Pila Mulligan: sure
Mickorod Renard: yes
Wol Euler: Wol Euler nods.
Bruce: so, every other week.
Calvino Rabeni: the idea is to allow more attention for homework, not to make it all easier, is that basically true?
Aphrodite Macbain: this means every second week, not 2 weeks a month
Aphrodite Macbain: right cal
Bruce: However, NEXT time that would be Thanksgiving. . .
Bruce: ???
Mickorod Renard: is there any chance that we could avoid complicated modern words
Aphrodite Macbain: American thanksgiving
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Aggers: Aggers doesn't know any
Aphrodite Macbain: like Thanksgiving?
Bruce: yeah, turkey day.
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Calvino Rabeni: how about complicated traditional words ?
Aggers: Gobble gobble
Bruce: ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: soooo - 4. Shall we set a topic that can be discussed over a one week/two week/monthly period?
Mickorod Renard: they are ok,,well any are providing they are explained
Aphrodite Macbain: each time.
Calvino Rabeni: do you mean "low jargon" mick?
Mickorod Renard: I am a simple man
Calvino Rabeni: plain talk is an interesting discipline
Aphrodite Macbain: we will try and be as clear as possible, stating our case in a variety of ways...
Aggers: If a difficult one at times
Calvino Rabeni: perhaps plain talk is a way of knowing
Bruce: Bruce feels that "gobble gobble" is pretty low, as jargon goes.
Aphrodite Macbain: 4. Shall we set a topic that can be discussed over a one week/two week/monthly period?
Aggers: Not for a turkey
Aphrodite Macbain: So each time we set a topic it will be explored over at least 2 weeks?
Samúð (oo0oo): *plain talk*
Aphrodite Macbain: least
Bruce: Well, since we just decided to meet every other week, a two-week topic sounds good - for starters.
Mickorod Renard: that sounds good,,it will give me time to look all the words up i the dictionary
Calvino Rabeni: I'd favor two sessions per topic
Bruce: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: OK some may be more complex topics that need exploring over a 4 week period..
Calvino Rabeni: since it usually feels they scratch the surface, then I get more ideas from the meeting
Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni thinks all topics are complex
Aphrodite Macbain: OK -sounds good to me
Bruce: 2 sessions per topic is good - - and let's stay flexible -- If the interest is there, we could even go for more weeks.
Calvino Rabeni: nods
Aphrodite Macbain: If we decide to explore an offshoot of the topic we can
Bruce: I will keep everyone up to date on it.
Aphrodite Macbain: OK
Bruce: as we go along.
Aphrodite Macbain: 5. Who will set these topics? Can we look 6 months ahead or at least 3 months so we know who is responsible?
Mickorod Renard: also, I am happy if I am pulled up for going off track, please be honest with me
Aphrodite Macbain: In other words, I recommend we try and plan ahead
Aphrodite Macbain: more than 1 week
Aphrodite Macbain: we will Mick in the nicest possible way
Calvino Rabeni: I think that's commendable Mick, I'd echo it
Samúð (oo0oo): Mick... you are a nice person.. honestly
Mickorod Renard: :)
Aggers: Aggers smiles @ Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: sooo- planning ahead
Bruce: I think one month ahead would be good - and adequate. . .
Mickorod Renard: is there a pre written order of priority?
Calvino Rabeni: no
Calvino Rabeni: it is an emergent order
Mickorod Renard: like a ascending stairs?
Aphrodite Macbain: If we knew who was setting up and moderating the discussion in advance we could plan better
Calvino Rabeni: but we might have a process for selection?
Aphrodite Macbain: no Mick
Bruce: well, if we planned four weeks in advance. . .
Mickorod Renard: nothing laid out in ancient tradition?
Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain tries to get to the first step
Bruce: one month in advance. . .
Aphrodite Macbain: it was ever changing Mick
Aphrodite Macbain: I can show you what was done the first year if you like
Mickorod Renard: its ok,,I can remember some
Aphrodite Macbain: Here you go:
Mickorod Renard: ok
Aphrodite Macbain: History: Weekly Homework was set by Stim and others on a variety of topics agreed upon during the sessions of the previous weeks. For example these questions set the subject of the discussions for the first part of 2009. They were explored each week between Feb. 12 and March 5.
“Overview
What is spiritually-relevant “contemplation” in the modern world? This question invites consideration of other (overlapping) questions:
Practice—How has the practice of contemplation changed from its traditional and ancient forms? {This point will be considered first, on February 12. For a more detailed summary, see “Week One” below.}
Theory—What are the main “view” issues that have characterized contemplation from the beginning, and what new perspectives and concerns figure prominently now? (February 19)
Challenges—What were the challenges faced by early contemplatives, and what new challenges have arisen recently? (February 26)
Science—How has the emergence of science, with its unique perspective
Calvino Rabeni: that looks like a planned sequence
Bruce: That looks like one-month planning ahead, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: perspectives and concerns figure prominently now? (February 19)
Challenges—What were the challenges faced by early contemplatives, and what new challenges have arisen recently? (February 26)
Science—How has the emergence of science, with its unique perspectives on methodology and on both the nature of reality and human nature changed the situation? What specific challenges and opportunities does it present to the view and practice of contemplation? (March 5)”
Aphrodite Macbain: So he set it up over two months
Aphrodite Macbain: um one month
Bruce: oh -- two, sry.
Bruce: or one.
Aggers: Maybe it was three
Bruce: I suggest that we start with one - - and be flexible.
Bruce: Someone might want to reserve a topic for future sessions. . .
Aphrodite Macbain: lol I can't count. one month
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok
Bruce: in that case, advanced planning of more than one month would be fine.
Aphrodite Macbain: Especially if we have a lot of ideas
Aphrodite Macbain: Which we do...
Bruce: yeppers.
Aphrodite Macbain: Comments?
Aphrodite Macbain: Who will set the topics?
Calvino Rabeni: Would it work to have a running list on the wiki, where people can suggest a topic and indicate their interests in other suggestions?
Aphrodite Macbain: We can come up with topics today and see who is willing to address them
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- that would be good too Cal
Calvino Rabeni: Then someone could plan ahead a bit with the highlighted topics
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok moving ahead...
Bruce: Did you want to decide next session's topic now -- or wait for a list?
Mickorod Renard: do you think there is one fundamental topic that should be addressed as a primer?
Aphrodite Macbain: wait for a sec
Aphrodite Macbain: Don't know- any suggestions?
Aphrodite Macbain: Can we revisit old themes?6. Can we revisit some of the old themes?
Aphrodite Macbain: oops lag
Bruce: There are excellent suggestions on the email. . .
Mickorod Renard: its interesting that Stim used contemplation as the focus
Samúð (oo0oo): !
Mickorod Renard: perhaps that is the platform
Mickorod Renard: what is contemplation?
Aphrodite Macbain: would you like to suggest a theme around contemplation
Aphrodite Macbain: or the subject itself?
Mickorod Renard: maybe its too simple, especially as we are all reasonably experienced?
Aphrodite Macbain: would you like to offer that one and do the research on it Mick?
Mickorod Renard: I could do, although I would like to keep it simple if it was me,,cos I am not that academic
Aphrodite Macbain: Can one person come up with the research and introduce the theme and another facilitate the discussion?
Aphrodite Macbain: Simple is good Mick
Mickorod Renard: I could research a background and then invite our thoughts and our own individual practices
Wol Euler: Wol Euler excuses herself and slips away. Sorry, just too tired, falling asleep at my desk.
Mickorod Renard: bye Wol
Pila Mulligan: bye Wol
Aphrodite Macbain: and discuss it over a 2 week period?
Aggers: Take care Wollie
Aphrodite Macbain: nite Wol
Wol Euler: ♥
Samúð (oo0oo): Wol :) Rest well
Bruce: Bye, Wol!
Aphrodite Macbain: When would you like to prepare this mick?
Mickorod Renard: how deep do we want to go with that subject, or do we want to get into real deep stuff?
Aggers: I'm off too
Mickorod Renard: bye Ags
Aggers: Goodbye and thank you for having me
Samúð (oo0oo): :) poke! \
Pila Mulligan: bye Ags
Aphrodite Macbain: as deep as we can go in a two week session
Bruce: and you could invite others to give their input - - regarding the broad topic of contemplation - through group emails.
Samúð (oo0oo): tc Ags
Aphrodite Macbain: by aggers
Bruce: Bye, aggers.
Mickorod Renard: or maybe someone else would like to do it?
Mickorod Renard: or something else?
Aphrodite Macbain: here are sone other ideas for topics:
Mickorod Renard: ok
Aphrodite Macbain: Having a hard time pasting. Can you do it Bruce?
Bruce: Hmmm, yes... just a sec.
Aphrodite Macbain: #4 IDEAS FOR TOPICS
Bruce: Ideas for topics
* Personal learning styles
* What makes a "Sangha“ How does a Sangha come into being? Does "knowing" happen for a Sangha that does not happen for an individual apart from the Sangha?
Calvino:
* Personally I'm not that interested in traditional texts / sutras, Buddhist or otherwise, but I did like the Lojong series.
It could be nice to have a topic list in one place?
Lately I'm interested in:
* What is "personality"? (How do I account for it in my daily life; mine; others'; etc.)
* Transpersonal themes
* Collective intelligence
* Neuroscience - implications for theories of mind (though I don't now see a contemplative approach)
* In addition, there are lots of ideas in the following areas:
http://waysofknowing.kira.org/ Homework Ideas
http://waysofknowing.kira.org/ Homework_Ideas/Calvino
Bruce: I'm up for any topics that involve ways o
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks
Bruce: Bruce: I'm up for any topics that involve ways of knowing and that inspire genuine engagement among Wokkers.
Samúð (oo0oo): Samúð maximizes the chat window ;)
Calvino Rabeni: well stated
Aphrodite Macbain: hehe
Aphrodite Macbain: we have enough for at least 6 months here!
Aphrodite Macbain: So we can add the topic of meditation to this
Aphrodite Macbain: as a subject in itself
Aphrodite Macbain: anyone else with ideas? o, Pila, Mick?
Aphrodite Macbain: 0
Pila Mulligan: not I
Aphrodite Macbain: oO0Oo
Bruce: OK - - - we have lots of topics suggested already. . . (and more are always welcome, of course) - - - Shall we get specific about next session?
Calvino Rabeni: Virtually anything could be a ground for a way of knowing, depending on the community of practice around it ... so selecting might be based on what people in the group have developed in their own life experience
Aphrodite Macbain: still waiting to hear if there are any other ideas
Aphrodite Macbain: OK hearing none, let's move on to what next?
Bruce: still waiting to hear if there's a volunteer facilitator for the first topic . .
Calvino Rabeni: Imagine making an A to Z list .. hmm, Art, Athletics, Aesthetics, ...
Mickorod Renard: grin
Calvino Rabeni: Babies, Bagua, Baking ..
Calvino Rabeni: Bowling
Calvino Rabeni: etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: would anyone like to take We could either facilitate our own topic or have someone else do it.
Aphrodite Macbain: let's start with the topic
Mickorod Renard: one thing I would have to do is work out how to use the wiki and send mails
Aphrodite Macbain: You were wan ing to address the subject of the Sangha...
Calvino Rabeni: that's a good one too
Calvino Rabeni: that's a good one too
Bruce: I can do all of that for you, Mick -- or I could teach you how to do it.
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps you could do this topic early next year Mick
Mickorod Renard: ty Bruce, I used to use the pab one,,I was a scribe once
Aphrodite Macbain: It will give you time to see how things work
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering what the Sangha was
Aphrodite Macbain: So, two weeks from today is Nov 20
Pila Mulligan: US turkey day?
Bruce: Sangha as a way of knowing?
Mickorod Renard: what is it?
Mickorod Renard: is it a tool?
Bruce: Sangha is generally understood as a community of folks who practice together, Mick...
Aphrodite Macbain: In the suttas the word sangha (lit. "group, assembly") is usually used in one of two ways: it refers either to the community of ordained monks and nuns (bhikkhu-sangha and bhikkhuni-sangha) or to the community of "noble ones" (ariya-sangha) — persons who have attained at least stream-entry, the first stage of Awakening.
Bruce: but there are larger interpretations.
Aphrodite Macbain: It is our support community
Bruce: yes, support community.
Mickorod Renard: ok,,that sounds good
Bruce: The three jewels in Buddhism: Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha.
Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce & Cal I believe you both suggested it
Pila Mulligan: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: to be distinguished from sangria
Bruce: Would you like to collaborate on this, Cal?
Aphrodite Macbain: Aphrodite Macbain likes the sound of collaboration
Calvino Rabeni: Yes Bruce
Mickorod Renard: so we are the Sangha?
Calvino Rabeni: "working together"
Samúð (oo0oo): Sangha is the state of aspiration light-bulbs in a given instance
Bruce: Bruce likes the sound of great minds rubbing against each other.
Samúð (oo0oo): *aspiration
Aphrodite Macbain: this group can be considered one, as could members of PaB
Samúð (oo0oo): flux
Bruce: absolutely so, Aph....
Mickorod Renard: but we just recognise this,,we dont need to learn it?
Aphrodite Macbain: I would be interested in exploring the different ways of learning...
Bruce: So, Cal and I will collaborate on Sangha as a way of knowing - - for the next WoK session. . . Stay tuned, folks.
Aphrodite Macbain: it just IS Mick
Mickorod Renard: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: you will learn more about it through the process
Mickorod Renard: but is Sangha a topic?
Pila Mulligan: satsang: an assembly of persons who listen to, talk about, and assimilate the truth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsang
Calvino Rabeni: yes, it's good to name it, that's a start for being conscious of something that may already be partly in place . the naming changes things too
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- the next one
Bruce: Cal, I don't mean to pull you into something without your agreement.
Calvino Rabeni: I agree wholeheartedly
Bruce: ok.
Aphrodite Macbain: You can fall back on me to be a pushy facilitator
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Bruce: Cal and I will collaborate and be in touch with everyone as we go along.
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok
Calvino Rabeni: those are handy at times, aph
Samúð (oo0oo): Samúð contemplates notion of 'benevolent dictator', commanding or leading by example a delegation of turtles, who also delegate, but.. contemplatively.. all the way down
Bruce: You have been a wonderful facilitator, Aph.. THANK YOU!
Aphrodite Macbain: I would like to address the subject of learning
Mickorod Renard: so maybe the first session is the bringing into the group, like an initiation, into the Sangha?
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes excellent.
Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce- you will have a record of this conversation?
Bruce: I do have a record- - - and I will post it on our wiki tonight.
Aphrodite Macbain: If so it should be summarized in some way. I can do that
Bruce: for all Wokkers to read.
Mickorod Renard: but i think we need to contemplate on the next topic either now or in-between
Bruce: OK - - your summary would be good.
Pila Mulligan: Aph, would you like to address the subject of learning as a discussion topic?
Bruce: I will send you the cha tlog in advance of posting it.
Aphrodite Macbain: OK. I'm going to summarize itr and remove all the irrelevant remarks and put it into the procedures of the WoK wiki
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes Pila
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: great
Bruce: cool - - - very efficient, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce
Bruce: My pleasure!
Aphrodite Macbain: I'd be very happy to collaborate with you Pila
Aphrodite Macbain: So we will meet next on November 24?
Bruce: yes.
Calvino Rabeni: is that a US holiday?
Bruce: 2 p.m. slt -- here.
Mickorod Renard: all went too quick :(
Calvino Rabeni: If so I'd not be able to attend
Aphrodite Macbain: and December 8?
Bruce: It is Thanksgiving, Cal.
Pila Mulligan: Thurs = Nov 24
Bruce: Do you want to put off the next session until December 8th?
Aphrodite Macbain: Sorry if I act as a dictator...
Calvino Rabeni: ah ... that Thursday 2 weeks from now probably won't be workable for US people
Pila Mulligan: maybe start next Thursday, the 17th?
Mickorod Renard: that's a good idea
Pila Mulligan: then Dec 1
Aphrodite Macbain: Is that enough time to prepare?
Calvino Rabeni: that could work... Bruce?
Bruce: How about Thursday December 1st?
Bruce: yes, that would be good for me -- 12/1/2011
Mickorod Renard: Sangha wouldn't need to be too deep
Bruce: oh - - I can tell you've never been up to your knees in DEEP SANGHA , Mick. . . ;-)
Aphrodite Macbain: perfect, the 1st and then the 15th
Bruce: yes, 1st, 15th, and so on.
Mickorod Renard: do I roll a trouser leg up Bruce?
Aphrodite Macbain: Ok now I'll relax
Bruce: ha ha!!!
Calvino Rabeni: ok .. thanks everyone ... GTG... take care
Aphrodite Macbain: wear boots
Samúð (oo0oo): lol
Mickorod Renard: bye cal ty
Bruce: THANKS, everyone!
Pila Mulligan: bye Cal
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! Cal - thanks
Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)
Pila Mulligan: bye everyone :)
Mickorod Renard: bye Pila,,take care
Samúð (oo0oo): me too .. thanks tc everyone
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! all. Let me know if you'd like to work with me on learning Pila
Bruce: Thanks Aph! I will have the chat log to you soon.
Mickorod Renard: bye oOOOo
Mickorod Renard: thank you Aph,,
Bruce: Byeeeeee!
Samúð (oo0oo): :)
Pila Mulligan: no, Aph, just assuring the topic got onted
Mickorod Renard: bye Brucie